Jacob sits down with Adam Boehler - former CEO of Landmark Health, Head of the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation and current CEO of Rubicon Founders. They discuss how building a value-based care business has changed, how Adam came up with the idea for Landmark and his other businesses, what makes different patient segments a fit for value-based models and where the space is headed. They also touch on Adam's hopes for future policy and the changes he’s seen in healthcare talent.